We had a fundy stop by and throw down about 2 weeks ago. *snerk* AJ felt compelled ... led???....to stop by with a link and an offer.
"I'm just a passing Christian who feels the need to crash your atheist party and say that I think that God exists, and I think that you guys should rethink.
I'm sure you've had guys preach to you before, but if you'd like to discuss the ultimate question; and others like it then please drop me a line.
Oh, and check out this ... www.readthisbeforeyoudie.com it's awesome.
Strange how he didn't leave his email address, it's not available on his profile OR on his blog. I guess he wants you to leave a comment with your address on his blog, or maybe here if he comes back. I wonder if he has answers we haven't considered or heard before?
But he did leave a web address...So I went.
Problems with the site
1- the music. W__T__F???
2- the scroll options- there aren't any. You have to "turn the page" by dragging it to the left and fitting the page of this "e-book" closely enough to almost perfectly line up and then clicking it into place BEFORE you can see the next page. Ya gotta want it yo!
3- the fluff bullshit nature of the text itself. (yeah, that was the really shocking part)... see below.
Oh- and if you go, which I don't personally recommend, remember to turn the sound OFF as soon as possible. Whatever that is, it's crap.
Let me ask you a question:
(Oh please do! But make it a good one.)
Are you living in this world to get rich or die trying?
(Oi, that wasn't a good one. False alternative. Also, if I say no, I close the book.)
Some people say they're scared to die
(few people want to die, fewer still want it to hurt)
Some people say they're ready to die
But almost everyone wants to go to heaven.
(define heaven- sounds like the most boring place imaginable)
Whether they're hoping there's reallly a "Heaven for a gansta" or a "hip-hop heaven," all people want to get to heaven.
(not necessarily. Life is given meaning by the challenges we face, the risks we take, the possibility of failure. No biblical description of heaven has any appeal to me.)
They want heaven cause they hear it's a "better place" or a place where 'dreams come true". Truth is, heaven is better, matter of fact there's no pain, no suffering, and no death there. There's even no need for church buildings because people don't need to be reminded to kick it with God there. Everyone is there with HIM forever.
(How about chances of failure? Or do you succeed at everything you try. Any desires? If you eat chocolate for every meal, you'll get sick of it in 2 days. What is the "purpose" of living in heaven. Eternal church services. GACK!)
So...How do we get to heaven?
(Wait... you didn't tell me what heaven IS only what it ISN'T.)
God requires perfection.
So how do you measure up?
Are you perfect?
Matter of fact-nobody is.
That's why the bible says:
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
(God demands perfection? That's rich. His one publication and he couldn't even get that right without contradicting himself. And helllooooo? Noah's Ark. The Flood. That was all about god hitting reboot because HIS creation didn't go the way he wanted it to.)
Sin is anything that offends God or doesn't meet God's perfect standard. That standard is given to us in the Law of God. can you honestly say that you have never lied, stolen or had a dirty or evil thought?
(If there is no god to offend, then thought crime is a victimless crime. Social lies are between me and the person lied to or about and fraud is between me, the injured party and the government that protects people from that.)
Those are what you call sins.
(No, those are what YOU call sins. Legally, the only one is possibly the lying.)
And you know what? We are all guilty of breaking God's Laws.
(He sort of designed it that way didn't he? Made it impossible to not piss him off. Then offers you the solution for what ails HIM.)
We are all sinners. So, we got a problem.
(you've got a problem that *you* created. Problem. Reaction. Solution.)
Then how can peeps like us, who are not perfect, get into heaven? (What is with the pseudo-hip language?????)
See God has to punish sin.
(hold the phone. What is the source of sin? Biblically speaking? God planted a tree and said don't eat it. No experience with limits, never before having been told no. And what is the punishment for eating one apple. for a single instance of disobiedience. Billions of souls damned to eternal torture for a crime they didn't commit. Oh yeah, that's fair.)
The Bible tells us that "The wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23) Which means our sentence sure isn't heaven.
So what can we do about this? The bad news is WE can't do anything. There are no plea bargains and we can't be the judge for another chance. When we mess with laws they don't ccare about how nice we are or how sorry we are.
(So it's not a matter of regretting our "sins"????)
If you jump out of a plane the law of gravity don't care how bad you want to get back into the plane, you're gonna fall.
(the law of gravity isn't arbitrary. Decreeing that THOUGHTS are a sin, is arbitrary.)
God's laws are no different. They are perfect and there is no getting around them.
What's worse is that God tells us in James 2:10 that "Whoever breaks one law is guilty of breaking them all." So whether a person steals one car or 20, he's guilty of stealing. Whether you tell a little white lie or rob a bank, you are gujilty of sinning against a perfect God.
Hold up, isn't God Loving Forgiving? (not so you'd notice)
While we were still sinners. Christ died for us.
(So a god, chooses to die, and come back to life after 3 days in hell, and spend the rest of eternity in heaven. And that's a sufficient "sacrifice" for an entire species???)
So, what does trust in Jesus mean?
Trusting in Jesus means more than getting "let off the hook" from your sins. It means depending on Jesus alone as the only one who has paid the debt you owe God. Faith in Christ means trusting in Him as your only way to Heaven.
(still not convinced it's a place I want to be.)
If you're like me
(I'm not. Not at all. I had to kill the sound on this website about 3 seconds into the opener. Good fucking GOD what is that racket???)
you have put trust in a lot of things in life- like money to get the bills paid and put food on the table.
(funny thing about money. You go to a job, they give you a pay check, you buy goods and services with it. You can feel it jingling in your pocket. Take it out and count it. Very tangible. Very real.)
You trust that the check will come on the first and fifteenth.
(and have legal recourse if it does not.)
You trust in your family or your crew to be there when you need'em.
(a trust they've earned after years of knowing them)
The reason we trust in these things is cause we see them as valuable enough to put trust in.
(fundies say "what"? I "trust" in those things because there is ample evidence for the trust. It is not placed blindly on a wish that what I want it to be is so.)
What do you trust in? Picture it here
But, everybody knows that money may fail us when we need it.Sometimes the checks don't come when we need 'em and we've all had family and friends dip out on us when we needed them.
(dip out on us???)
If you trust in things that can fail, why wouldn't you trust in Christ who has never failed?
(Never failed? To answer a prayer? To provide proof of his existence? To protect the innocent? To prevent evil done in his name? To recommend the ending of social evils that were in his power to prevent? To change the hearts of the clergy that abuse children? To have ANY influence over the corrupt individuals running his Church?)
We trust in doctors because of the medicine they can provide for our bodies.
(And the decades they've spent studying and learning.)
How much more should we trust in the one who created the body?...even yours. (yeah right. according to what evidence??)
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People try to tell a lie that there are things in this life more valuable than God. Following that lie keeps us from trusting in Christ alone to make us right in God's sight.
(*sigh* Bored now. There isn't a god. There is no evidence outside of an individual's belief and faith that there has to be a god, 'look trees' or 'the law of gravity'. But that's it.)
(Evidently they got bored too.)
Once you see Christ as he really is, you can STOP looking for what you can do to get right with God and Trust In Jesus.
(*snerk* Nobody has "seen" christ. Which reveals what he really is.... nothing.)
See, no matter how hard we try, we won't be accepted by God by trying to live right and going to church every Sunday.
(Good thing there, church bores the shit out of me.)
We can't buy his acceptance by paying tithes. We can't talk our way into heaven with excuses or explanations.
(Excellent, I can't bloody afford the 10% gate fee anyway.
We can only trust Jesus as the only way to personnally know God.
(blah blah blah)
The Bible says in Epehsians 2:8 "It is by grace that you have been saved through faith and not of yourselves- it is the gift of god."
So what's keeping you from trusting Jesus?
(The fact that I don't believe in imaginary friends? That the concept of god is anathema to life. That the "sacrifice" of jesus is laughable.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, you have all the riches you will ever need- in fact, you've received the greatest gift you could ever ask for: eternal life. BUt, Jesus didn't just come to give us life after death, He wants us to start living right now.
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